Rule 15 Discussion

[Atheist Sex God]

Not sure if this is the right place for it, but I'd honestly like some opinions and thoughts on a rule that apparently has just now popped up.

Space Dungeons and Dragons, because you're nerds.
You can only play it if you are an unimportant job, Librarian, Assistant, Clown and Mime. If you shrug off duties to play it you will be jobbanned as it's the same as abandoning your post.
You cannot play if you're an antagonist as you are equally giving up doing your job.
It's okay to do occasionally, doing it every single round 10 rounds in a row is not okay. The more people on, the more strain the server is under, if there are 8 of you literally spending every waking hour playing SDND and wasting server resources when you could be playing dnd over steam chat or IRC then you will be punished.


Let me break these down and give some thoughts on them in sections.

1. You can only play it if you are an unimportant job, Librarian, Assistant, Clown and Mime. If you shrug off duties to play it you will be jobbanned as it's the same as abandoning your post.

I can understand this one, but I don't think it's right to jobban the person for doing it. I can't count the number of times Miners have fucked off and done nothing, or engineers fuck off to space and haven't had anything happen to them. THAT, is essentially abandoning your post, isn't it? Another thing about this rule is how someone can consider a job important or not. Like, I get it. HoS? Important. Security Officer? Important. QM with two other QMs? Not that important. The rule states that only a few jobs should be allowed to play it, and while that may be fair, jobbanning someone over playing it? Just seems a bit silly when, if you abandon your post and do something ASIDE from SD&D, nothing will happen.

2. You cannot play if you're an antagonist as you are equally giving up doing your job.

Understand this one as well, but sometimes, your requirement is rediculously easy (CE stealing his blueprints, ling cap getting his jumpsuit, RD getting a pAI, etc etc.) and you'd be able to accomplish it within literally no time. While I can mostly understand this one, as having a Rev sit around doing nothing while the revolution is going on, I personally feel that it needs to be reworded.

3. It's okay to do occasionally, doing it every single round 10 rounds in a row is not okay. The more people on, the more strain the server is under, if there are 8 of you literally spending every waking hour playing SDND and wasting server resources when you could be playing dnd over steam chat or IRC then you will be punished.

This is probably the only one I have issue with. Honestly, this comes down to "We have it, but you're not allowed to do it." You have it on the sever, and as anyone who's played D&D knows, it takes more than one session to make a good game. Maybe not 10 rounds of nonstop SD&D, but the argument that they're wasting server resources? Or that you could be playing elsewhere? Well, if you have it in the game but you don't want people doing it since it wastes resources.. Then why have it at all? And I know that's not necessarily what it's saying, but to someone reading the rules, they might play once and then just cancel playing the next round because they don't want to break the rule. Then the group is out a player, and it basically becomes a clusterfuck.


Just some opinions on this rule, and while I know I probably have no authority on them, I just wanted to tell my 2 cents. I'd appreciate constructive thoughts and opinions, please.

[malanth]

nerd

[malanth]

but on a more serious note this rule wasn't discussed with the admin team to my knowledge and was just kind of dumped in. space dnd is really stupid in the sense that it keeps pulling people away from actually playing the game and instead they sit in the library. the rule as i see it is mainly to keep people from not doing their jobs if they're something important.

mainly heads and shit. we also dont want antags not doing their job because that usually ends in rounds that go on forever and it pretty much sucks.

[Name Changing Autist]

I remember this rule being added in after we had Command Staff Members and Security heading off to play SD&D and abandoning the roles they had, then Antagonists deciding 'Fuck my Objectives, I'm going to play SD&D', it led to about seven people having fun in a Nerd Hangout meanwhile the Station is missing needed forces and crippled.

As for jobbanning other people who decide fucking off to it is a good thing it honestly depends on the amount of Staff Members available, if you have people covering for you and if you were approved, if not you're going to get into trouble with us.

[Danuis Studnick]

So basically it'll be a case by case basis?

[Name Changing Autist]

Most likely it will be rather set in, those who can bugger off and not cause any major problems in their absence and those who bugged off and end up dicking over the Station.

So yeah.

[Deleted]

It clearly states don't do it for every round in a row for an entire day, don't do it if you're an important job and don't keep on shrugging off antag roles and failing objectives because you want to dnd. We had to make this because for a couple of days in one week, 5 players for 10+ rounds each day were shrugging off being antags, heads, scientists, security officers just to go and play dnd then all die to something or wait until the shuttle arrives. It IS abandoning your job and I'd be happy to start to name names of players as security who ignored cries for help over the radio and reports of various antags because they were too busy being nerds or heads who didn't care about the state of the station or requests for their presence. You're abandoning it with a specific reason and happily ignore anyone who needs you or someone of your job type. If you're an antagonist and you've already done your objectives or one of your murder targets is that the table then obviously it's fine, but if it's to kill the captain and steal a jetpack and you threw your PDA in the bin then sprinted off to the library then that's just being a douche to the rest of the players.

There are so many other mediums in which you can play DnD online, probably hundreds if you went deep enough into google. And as we've all said it's okay to do on a fairly regular basis but every single round forever is not ok. You're reaching a point of just wasting slots, job slots etc. and just being a dead weight on the crew for the entire day.

[Danuis Studnick]

Jul 31, 2013 6:53:26 GMT -5 @sgtfragg said:

It clearly states don't do it for every round in a row for an entire day, don't do it if you're an important job and don't keep on shrugging off antag roles and failing objectives because you want to dnd. We had to make this because for a couple of days in one week, 5 players for 10+ rounds each day were shrugging off being antags, heads, scientists, security officers just to go and play dnd then all die to something or wait until the shuttle arrives. It IS abandoning your job and I'd be happy to start to name names of players as security who ignored cries for help over the radio and reports of various antags because they were too busy being nerds or heads who didn't care about the state of the station or requests for their presence. You're abandoning it with a specific reason and happily ignore anyone who needs you or someone of your job type. If you're an antagonist and you've already done your objectives or one of your murder targets is that the table then obviously it's fine, but if it's to kill the captain and steal a jetpack and you threw your PDA in the bin then sprinted off to the library then that's just being a douche to the rest of the players.

There are so many other mediums in which you can play DnD online, probably hundreds if you went deep enough into google. And as we've all said it's okay to do on a fairly regular basis but every single round forever is not ok. You're reaching a point of just wasting slots, job slots etc. and just being a dead weight on the crew for the entire day.

Well, as ASG said, that's why we're all assistants and low, barely functioning jobs. I disagree particularly about the group being a "Dead weight" - at most, under me, we demand food and maybe we build a dungeon here or there, just like a well rounded group of assistants who go off and make their own colony somewhere. No one will argue against rule 15, part 1 or Rule 15, part 2, but part 3 is readily controversial - Sessions last longer than rounds, and if that is a problem, then we have to make a new session every round, and try to finish it within a round - and thus when the round ends the insatiable thirst for it is still there, thus making a new session.

I see no inert problem of people who often play low end jobs running off to band together and do something - assistants do it periodically prior to SDnD, how is this any different? L

Likewise, when pressed, the group often becomes a "DnD Tide" that runs down traitors, disbands to fight aliens, blobs, or likewise, and can often fight off chasers of innocents if they run our way, with varying degrees of success, just like the ad hoc assistant militias I talk of.

[DrunkenFlyingDemoman]

Continuation of sessions between rounds.

You can already see the obvious problem there.

SDnD mobs helping fight things off have happened never, every single fucking time, they'll play SDnD even when the whole fucking station is on fire, even when there's a fucking blob eating the whole station, even when there's fucking xenos on the doors, they just don't give a shit, murders, lootings and traitorous activities have happened in plain sight of the SDnD table, nobody even lifted a fucking finger.

Assistant Militias are nothing but a mob of assistants smashing everything, breaking everything and randomly assaulting people.

[Name Changing Autist]

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Demo got to it before me and his sounded better, SD&Ders don't turn into a mob they get killed.