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Post by zachorem on Sept 27, 2013 0:24:56 GMT -5
I recently read a ban appeal where it was discussed how it is poor excuse to murder a crew member for killing Ian or Pun Pun.
My question I'd like to discuss is this: To what lengths should a grieving HoP go to when his beloved Corgi is robusted? Is it something that cannot be retaliated against like a game of pseudo-kick the can, or is it something that can snap the HoP's mind, driving him into a frothing, grief-fueled frenzy of murderous intent?
To what extent should roleplaying IC play in the lengths of the HoP's (or chef, or bartender, CE, CMO, RD) actions against the cold-hearted bastard who murdered their beloved animal companion?
Is the HoP protected under space law? Or is he as guilty as a traitor?
Things are very unclear.
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Post by DrunkenFlyingDemoman on Sept 27, 2013 1:34:34 GMT -5
If you're roleplaying, a minor assault over some douche killing a dog for no reason is acceptable.
Roleplaying is NEVER a reason for murdering someone, period, It doesn't matter if they killed your dog or your precious Monkey or burnt down your entire house on some planet somewhere not owned by Nanotrasen or the guy pissed you off : Roleplaying is not a good reason to kill anybody, period.
Antagonists are already allowed to grief, they don't need a roleplaying reason.
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Post by zachorem on Sept 27, 2013 2:25:33 GMT -5
What about an IC argument that escalates to a fire extinguisher fight? It's pretty easy to kill someone accidently in that situation. Say the HoP throws a couple punches, the aggression is returned, the HoP throws a toolbox or something, the other person picks it up and hits the HoP, the HoP picks up something else and knocks the other person down and strikes them a few times in the skull, killing them.
What would be your ruling in that situation?
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Post by Gbro on Sept 27, 2013 2:55:45 GMT -5
I think its HoP fault he attacked first, he could just man up and take the insults like a man, if he attacks then the other person has free pass to kill him (IMO)
Also, adding to the topic about killing Ian.
Some people thinks its the equivalent to reading WgW via radio, but in reality, if Ian got killed its possibly by HoP fault, because as far as we know Ian is inside of HoP office, if he leave him out he can be in danger of being washed....
Nobody can go into a witch hunt because they killed Ian, just order another one with the QM's
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Post by Name Changing Autist on Sept 27, 2013 3:03:45 GMT -5
What about an IC argument that escalates to a fire extinguisher fight? It's pretty easy to kill someone accidently in that situation. Say the HoP throws a couple punches, the aggression is returned, the HoP throws a toolbox or something, the other person picks it up and hits the HoP, the HoP picks up something else and knocks the other person down and strikes them a few times in the skull, killing them. What would be your ruling in that situation? For situations like that it tends to depend on who started it and for what reason, who escalated it, how it was escalated and whether the escalation was uncalled for (such as the guy returning five minutes after the fight was resolved with a pickaxe and shoving it into your skull). Though when some sod murders a Station Pet for no reason, I tend to bring up as a Officer them being mentally unstable and a possible threat to the crew at large. At the very most it doesn't deserve death, permabrigging at the most. Nobody can go into a witch hunt because they killed Ian, just order another one with the QM'sBut it still to the owner is not the same dog. |
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Post by Danuis Studnick on Sept 27, 2013 7:16:32 GMT -5
May Ian bless you and keep you. May his fur shine upon you, and give you strength.
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Post by Snowfat on Oct 21, 2013 1:56:17 GMT -5
It should never justify murder unless they give away somehow that they're an antagonist by doing so (ie. C4ing Ian or energy swording Poly), and starting a physical fight with them could lead to one of you dying accidentally, which could mean your RPing would lead to you getting ahelped. You should definitely show verbal distress over the matter and not trust them if you feel it would fit your character. Show through your character that you are upset, not through ahelp. There's really no reason for it ever to get physical (and if it does for it to escalate beyond a punch or two).
More importantly we should take into account which pet is hurt to justify exactly how far one should be allowed to go with their retaliation:
-Poly is shit, anyone who defends him is an ass, and the CE should award someone who either spaces it or takes its radio.
-Lamarr is usually ignored, but can play an important part in the RD's RP. A flash and taking Lamarr back should justify if someone decides to wear your favorite face rapist.
-Ian is an iconic figure on the station and is often times promoted to Captain Ian during the round when the crew is in need of a strong role model. A swift kick to the shin should suffice for his demise.
-Pun Pun/ Mr. Jennings are often times used as a ready meat source for hamburgers and few Bartenders keep an eye on him. If you choose, you could get away with treating it as close to you as Ian to the HoP, or you could trade it to the Chef for enzymes and sugar for drink mixes.
-Runtime is inarguably more important than half the station's crew combined and holds more station wide authority than the Captain. A rarer asset than diamonds and more valuable than the nuke disk, she is to be defended with your life. If someone steals this precious soul away from a CMO, he should be allowed fifteen minutes with them in surgery with a virus crate. Then everyone should call a death squad and wait quietly at arrivals. She is less iconic than Ian, but more loveable and pettable than him. She should be avenged the same as Ian would.
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Post by austupaio on Oct 21, 2013 16:46:23 GMT -5
Except killing Ian for his meat is a traitor objective, ergo killing Ian is a traitorous thing to do.
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Post by HeathclifFlowen on Oct 21, 2013 17:07:13 GMT -5
From an IC point of view: If you went around the station murdering animals for shits an giggles, I would absolutely tie you to a bed and muzzle you for being a crazy-pants at the LEAST.
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Post by AbleRip on Jan 4, 2014 18:31:56 GMT -5
I see killing pets for the point of shits and giggles as a way of grief if the person is not a traitor. No sane loyal crew member should have a fetish for killing animals and its a way for morons to try and work around the law because it is not an official crime which can be punishable by arrest. Also for non-traitors it is a work around of rule one because it isn't ruining the game for anyone but it is sure to make people angry.
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. sorry for the bad news, but i will always remember our time raping some whores and animals in ss13. nig