Remove Laser tag guns

[froststahr]

I'd think it'd be better to keep them and chance the colors to something like teal/orange.

[jarek56]

Either get rid of them, or change them enough so that they are OBVIOUSLY not lethal lasers. Even a color change would be better than what currently is. Getting partially blinded when a laser tag beam hits your head/eyes most certainly does not encourage tagged Sec/Heads to chuckle to themselves at the clever sunovabitch.

[garvendreis]

Paired with the distinctive armour and chat messages, I don't think it's a real issue. Following that logic, you'd have to remove stuff like the toy eswords and wizard costume because you better believe when those were introduced anyone wearing or using them were harm-batoned by Sec.

Being able to differentiate between what is being fired at you in the heat of the moment would seperate shitcurity from security.

[DrunkenFlyingDemoman]

Laser tag guns are in for the same reason Toy Eswords, Fake syndicate suits, Foam dart crossbows and the cap gun exists.

They're there to emulate the threat of danger, if people wave it around and your next instinct is to murder them with a laser gun instead of using a taser and handcuffs, it's your fault.

[austupaio]

No, it's their fault for antagonizing you in a non-extended round. If I attack a Security Officer with ANYTHING they are fully within their rights to defend themselves as if it were a real threat.

If, once they feel safe, they see that it was a toy, they then clone me and apologize.

[jarek56]

Oct 29, 2013 10:15:07 GMT -5 austupaio said:

No, it's their fault for antagonizing you in a non-extended round. If I attack a Security Officer with ANYTHING they are fully within their rights to defend themselves as if it were a real threat.

If, once they feel safe, they see that it was a toy, they then clone me and apologize.

...Thank you for seeing it from security's point of view, good sir.

[Danuis Studnick]

No, no, no!

It's nothing better than to bait sec anyway. The fucks need to be AWARE and patient, if they kill you for this, that is their fault anyway.

Shooting it during a rev round at a head in the middle of a battle is retarded, and generally cult-rev rounds end in "kill everyone not implanted", but that's the crew for you.

[DrunkenFlyingDemoman]

Oct 29, 2013 10:15:07 GMT -5 austupaio said:

No, it's their fault for antagonizing you in a non-extended round. If I attack a Security Officer with ANYTHING they are fully within their rights to defend themselves as if it were a real threat.

If, once they feel safe, they see that it was a toy, they then clone me and apologize.

Security Officers are also supposed to arrest people attacking them, not murdering the first asshole that has anything resembling a dangerous item.

[garvendreis]

Oct 29, 2013 10:15:07 GMT -5 austupaio said:

No, it's their fault for antagonizing you in a non-extended round. If I attack a Security Officer with ANYTHING they are fully within their rights to defend themselves as if it were a real threat.

If, once they feel safe, they see that it was a toy, they then clone me and apologize.

But sometimes it's not even attacking Security, or anyone for that matter. Some Sec are just waiting to harmbaton you in the eyes and bucklecuff you to a bed.

[derpthestewpidgoat]

I say no.
Its really not hard for sec to tase and cuff you, and once they do, they'll realize it was a simple toy. Along with the fact that your average officer isn't carrying around a laser rifle ready to shoot anybody who seems to have even a slightly suspicious item that resembles an item they should not have.

TLDR: They deserve some kind of punishment if their first reaction is MURDER rather than DETAIN, and maybe a warning if it's their first time fucking up.

[warnipple]

Oct 30, 2013 8:07:35 GMT -5 DrunkenFlyingDemoman said:

Oct 29, 2013 10:15:07 GMT -5 austupaio said:

No, it's their fault for antagonizing you in a non-extended round. If I attack a Security Officer with ANYTHING they are fully within their rights to defend themselves as if it were a real threat.

If, once they feel safe, they see that it was a toy, they then clone me and apologize.

Security Officers are also supposed to arrest people attacking them, not murdering the first asshole that has anything resembling a dangerous item.

Its a very childish thing to do, to shoot sec with a laser tag gun and expect them not to kill you. By keeping the laser tag guns they way they are, you allow people to bait sec players into permabans. Changes need to be made so laser tag guns are visually and sound different from a lethal laser weapon.

You obviously won't get banned for killing a guy who shot you with a laser tag gun but I have and other players will if they remain the same.

[Name Changing Autist]

Ok, let's bring up some of what has been said before in one big point.

Nov 1, 2013 5:19:19 GMT -5 warnipple said:

Its a very childish thing to do, to shoot sec with a laser tag gun and expect them not to kill you.

You're jumping the gun when you immediately go to kill the guy shooting you with a lasertag gun, the wearer has to have a vest first of all, the name of the gun is different and even if a guy is firing away from your screen, it's not too hard to notice that the laser is doing no damage.

By keeping the laser tag guns they way they are, you allow people to bait sec players into permabans. Changes need to be made so laser tag guns are visually and sound different from a lethal laser weapon.

Bullshit, you aren't going to be permabanned for killing a guy that may (or may not) of been baiting you. I play Security often enough that I can make an educated opinion on it and I've rarely had to deal with rogues wielding lasertag guns baiting officers and I've never personally killed someone so quickly for this. It's a fairly easy thing to notice and unless the guy is doing it during a Nuclear Operative invasion or after there's been some violent fight in Security then you're expected not to kill him and instead try to taser or warn him.

You obviously won't get banned for killing a guy who shot you with a laser tag gun but I have and other players will if they remain the same.

That may be because very few people have had to deal with this and very few people instantly jump to kill someone. 


A quite important line said by DFD "Security Officers are also supposed to arrest people attacking them, not murdering the first asshole that has anything resembling a dangerous item."

Security Officers should be aiming for an arrest, not a kill unless the situation demands otherwise (Nuke Operatives, Revs, etc.)

Lasertag Guns are fine, no changey. It's fairly situational but generally you're in the wrong (or both are in the wrong) if you decide to gun down the dumb sod with the lasertag gun.