Post by jarek56 on Sept 18, 2013 18:08:21 GMT -5
This may not in any way be the appropriate place for these questions, but I can't think of anywhere better to put it. This would SEEM to be a VERY obvious answer, and frankly the placement of the Guns into a specially made locker is both a cool touch and a sensible enough.
But given that the TG Station Wiki specifically shows the Laser and (more important to the mind of a very habitual Warden Player) Energy Guns located on a rack...
...As seen here...
Why were they moved? Ironically, this makes responding to crises, ESPECIALLY in the Security Area in general, or serious enemy attack, much more difficult to arm the Security Officers and other "loyal" station crewmembers. (I know, I know, Shitcurity and the laughable concept of "loyal" crewmembers, hyuckhyuckhyuck) At least, so I've found in my experiences.
I've had many a very ignoble case of suffering from humiliating and pointless (But totally justified) deaths at the hands of Juggernauts and Syndies breaking into my damn Ward and Robusting my sorry hide since I LITERALLY had no means of defending myself (in the Juggernaut's case) or was SEVERELY outgunned (In Syndie case). Hell, I've had REALLY smart rogue/traitor crewpeople steal the whole gosh damn Locker from Armory. I take my hat off to that bunch, but it's still a problem (though, that'd be a problem if they got into Armory in any case) I really don't want to come off as whining here, so I'll go over how this system makes sense.
I understand that the Locker needs...2, I think, Heads of Staff to swipe their cards to unlock the Locker. Now, that makes plenty of sense. There's a problem with that, though, in that, according to the Wiki, it's the Warden's duty to arm the Security forces in emergencies. Now, a lot of that stuff CAN be handed out with little difficulty, but as a Warden in SERIOUS situations, my ability to actually arm the Security Forces and make them a effective fighting force borders upon the non-existent...without Heads of Staff. And as we ALL know, getting any Heads to abandon their lawful and vital posts in emergencies is a tricky business, or even at the best of times when such arms are NOT necessary...
The Locker is an easy way of keeping those guns locked up and aesthetically pleasing. That's fine. RP-wise, it's downright COOL to have the Heads dramatically break open the Locker and arm the Security Force.
Another problem occurs to me. The Heads being necessary to unlock the Locker is just fine, but why does the Warden, who has comparable jurisdiction over the use and distribution of weapons to Security as the HoS (and, I believe, has the duty to provide equipment to Security Officers, even as he answers to the HoS and the Captain in that regard) NOT have the ability to also swipe his card to access the Arms Locker?
I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as overly whiny or a waste of time, or disrespectful. I just wanted to raise the questions about a Job I ABSOLUTELY love to play.
But given that the TG Station Wiki specifically shows the Laser and (more important to the mind of a very habitual Warden Player) Energy Guns located on a rack...
...As seen here...
Why were they moved? Ironically, this makes responding to crises, ESPECIALLY in the Security Area in general, or serious enemy attack, much more difficult to arm the Security Officers and other "loyal" station crewmembers. (I know, I know, Shitcurity and the laughable concept of "loyal" crewmembers, hyuckhyuckhyuck) At least, so I've found in my experiences.
I've had many a very ignoble case of suffering from humiliating and pointless (But totally justified) deaths at the hands of Juggernauts and Syndies breaking into my damn Ward and Robusting my sorry hide since I LITERALLY had no means of defending myself (in the Juggernaut's case) or was SEVERELY outgunned (In Syndie case). Hell, I've had REALLY smart rogue/traitor crewpeople steal the whole gosh damn Locker from Armory. I take my hat off to that bunch, but it's still a problem (though, that'd be a problem if they got into Armory in any case) I really don't want to come off as whining here, so I'll go over how this system makes sense.
I understand that the Locker needs...2, I think, Heads of Staff to swipe their cards to unlock the Locker. Now, that makes plenty of sense. There's a problem with that, though, in that, according to the Wiki, it's the Warden's duty to arm the Security forces in emergencies. Now, a lot of that stuff CAN be handed out with little difficulty, but as a Warden in SERIOUS situations, my ability to actually arm the Security Forces and make them a effective fighting force borders upon the non-existent...without Heads of Staff. And as we ALL know, getting any Heads to abandon their lawful and vital posts in emergencies is a tricky business, or even at the best of times when such arms are NOT necessary...
The Locker is an easy way of keeping those guns locked up and aesthetically pleasing. That's fine. RP-wise, it's downright COOL to have the Heads dramatically break open the Locker and arm the Security Force.
Another problem occurs to me. The Heads being necessary to unlock the Locker is just fine, but why does the Warden, who has comparable jurisdiction over the use and distribution of weapons to Security as the HoS (and, I believe, has the duty to provide equipment to Security Officers, even as he answers to the HoS and the Captain in that regard) NOT have the ability to also swipe his card to access the Arms Locker?
I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as overly whiny or a waste of time, or disrespectful. I just wanted to raise the questions about a Job I ABSOLUTELY love to play.
Now, that DOES make some sense, yes. I've even seen such nightmares play out. However, that still raises the problem of what the heck I'm supposed to do when these weapons are deperately needed and no other Heads can come to the Armory. Is Security in general just kind of screwed? This system seems to have a rather glaring weakness in that respect. Am I supposed to requisition 1 or 2 spare ID cards from HoP that have Head authority I can use in emergencies? Moreover, what kind of emergencies would you find as acceptable grounds for breaking out the weapons? I was once cornered by a freaking animated WINDOW GRILLE and forced to pathetically shoot it with Tasers and a stun baton and have it body slam me to death, calling for help all the while and unable to resist thanks to lack of weapons for the Warden. Worse, the Cults seemed to rapidly gain the Arms Locker and break it open anyway, so it doesn't seem terribly secure from anyone who actually wants in and doesn't care about Space Law. What would you suggest I do with Sydnies blowing out the walls and Juggernauts punching through the windows like kitten farts? Understand, I mean no disrespect here, and am actually trying to be humorous, a little.
Good gosh, that makes things even worse, in my opinion!
. sorry for the bad news, but i will always remember our time raping some whores and animals in ss13. nig