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Post by warnipple on Nov 3, 2013 15:01:04 GMT -5
BYOND key: Warnipple Character name: Ezra Hegarty Admin's name: DFD Admin's character: Date of incident: 2013-11-03 2:40PM GMT-5 Description: Mid round 20 minutes in- The AI was calling for me to be arrested for stealing some stuff from tech storage and bolted me gateway room. I had nowhere to go so I said I surrendered in General. Later when someone tried to enter, I unbolted the door and crowbarred open the door for them. To my surprise it was a QM with a sawed off shotgun with dart ammo loaded. Once he was in, he shot me with his shotgun that was loaded with a dart. I fell for a brief moment and got back up and promptly robusted him with a fellow scientist until he felldown. When he fell down, a space marine came in and shot me with a taser and killed me with a chainsword. I was banned for killing the QM. 1. If given the chance, I would applied a bruise pack to the QM after he was cuffed, as there was a medkit nearby. This didn't happen because of the space marine. 2. The QM is not sec and should've not came to do the work of security. The door was open so if he wanted to run he could've but he stayed in the gateway room and tried to grab his shotgun to shoot me again. By pretending to be sec, he was willingly risking his health/life to apprehend a criminal. While I admit I did steal some things, he brought this upon himself. I had no intention of killing him either. 3. The QM shouldn't have had a shotgun in the first place as that is the bartender's item. If anything, it was self defense. I surrendered so why is there a need to shoot me? 4. The QM also attacked a witness. His intent was set on harm. 5. The Space Marine is not sec and shouldn't have interfered. 6. All this could be rectified by cloning the QM. Why not just let me clone him and apoligize instead of having a space marine kill me and then banning me? I didn't make this an appeal because I believe this is result of a ban happy admin. He didn't take all the factors into consideration and banned me. It seems like whoever adminhelps first is always the person to get someone else banned. Honestly there are worst people on the server to ban than me. This isn't the first time I've been banned by DFD for something stupid without him giving me a chance to explain myself or correct my mistakes. Other witnesses: Round log available on request?: Yes near end log: pastebin.com/SFqV63i8As you can see from the logs, the QM only made 1 gasp. The QM obviously succumbed to death. We could've healed him with the medkit but he succumbed to make it seem like I murdered him. DFD obviously did not examine all the evidence before banning me. Admins should access the situation completely before making a ban. I believe his ban was very biased towards the QM and it was made before examining all the evidence. This was completely unnecessary too as the QM could've been cloned. Other players have murdered far more people and have not been banned yet I get singled out here? DFDs actions are questionable in this situation and I wonder how many people have been banned by him before they had a chance to explain themselves or rectify the situation. Admins like him make our server uninviting to new players and discourages regulars from coming back. He needs to put more thought and work into his decisions so that players on our server will have a more enjoyable experience.
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Post by DrunkenFlyingDemoman on Nov 3, 2013 18:43:55 GMT -5
You beat a QM to crit which subsequently lead to his death, whether or not somebody else decides to tase or beat you up over the murder does not matter, what matters is that you have done the deed, it has resulted in his death.
Don't want to be banned for critting someone and then being unable to heal them because Security arrested you? Simple, don't crit people for something as minor as walking in with a shotgun loaded with darts and shooting you.
Self defense is acceptable, but the QM did not put you in any type of risk aside from walking in with a shotgun loaded with stun ammunition, you had literally no reason for beating the QM to death except for trying to become security, remember, Resisting arrest is acceptable, but killing somebody so you don't get arrested isn't.
Oh, and if we let people off for cloning people after killing them over minor reasons, it would be a massive grieffest.
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Post by warnipple on Nov 3, 2013 19:24:12 GMT -5
You beat a QM to crit which subsequently lead to his death, whether or not somebody else decides to tase or beat you up over the murder does not matter, what matters is that you have done the deed, it has resulted in his death. I beat him into crit but he succumbed to death. Regardless, he shouldn't have died and instead chose to die. You don't die after 1 gasp. Check the logs. Don't want to be banned for critting someone and then being unable to heal them because Security arrested you? Simple, don't crit people for something as minor as walking in with a shotgun loaded with darts and shooting you. I was not arrested by sec, I was beaten to death by an invincible space marine. And another scientist was already healing the QM but he succumbed. Check the logs. Self defense is acceptable, but the QM did not put you in any type of risk aside from walking in with a shotgun loaded with stun ammunition, you had literally no reason for beating the QM to death except for trying to become security, remember, Resisting arrest is acceptable, but killing somebody so you don't get arrested isn't. Oh, and if we let people off for cloning people after killing them over minor reasons, it would be a massive grieffest. While the QM's intentions were noble. Once again he is not sec. One can assume a civilian armed with a weapon is not out to arrest but to murder. The QM was not completely innocent, he attacked another scientist that tried to help me. The other scientist helped me because he is not sec. Who would you trust more? A civilian vigilante armed with a shotgun or an officer with a badge and uniform? Same situation in game. I used everything in my power to defend myself (or resist arrest as you call it), there were no non-lethal options for me. I didn't beat him when he was down and in the logs I clearly state that I didn't intend to kill him. Please read the logs before making another post. - - - I've reread the logs again. It looks like the space marine not only killed me but stopped the other scientist from healing the QM. As you can see near when I am dying to dead, the space marine puts a first aid kit into his bag of holding. It was not a grief fest. It was 3 people in the gateway room and a space marine killing me. And the situation was exacerbated by an admin touting around in invincible space marine armour. You decide to punish me when an admin, possibly yourself, was making the situation far worse than it could've been. |
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Post by DrunkenFlyingDemoman on Nov 4, 2013 5:20:19 GMT -5
Let's see, you had about, what, 10-20 seconds involving him running around punching your fellow scientists and getting disarmed before you decided to start bashing him to death.
The Space Marine was not involved in any way to the case, his presence did not change the fact that you, and another scientist, beat a QM to crit over stun dart ammunition and a couple of punches.
It's not called overreacting either, this isn't something major such as a guy waving a combat shotgun around getting killed, this is the classic, "I will beat someone to crit over three punches and a taser".
Not to mention, your entire defense appears to be "He was not sec", you're practically saying that anybody who tries to be a vigilante should be killed, basically saying that you want to be a shitlorde with no consequences, seeing as Security is usually incompetent.
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Post by warnipple on Nov 4, 2013 6:34:26 GMT -5
You're ignoring evidence now.
The QM died because of his actions and the actions of the space marine. Not mine.
He chose to stay instead of leaving. He purposely chose to put himself in harms way. He was out numbered and he threw the first harmful punch. The QM did succumb to death, that is a no brainer since he was given medical treatment and still died. The space marine made it worse by tasering us both and then killing me, preventing two people from giving him medical attention. The space marine is obviously involved.
He chose to fight unfair odds instead of running away. Did I chase him down? No, I was still in the gateway room while he chose to stay.
You make the assumption that security is usually incompetent. You identified a problem that you can fix. Why not help them along instead of taking actions into your own hands? Why not send them a message instead of sending a space marine to do their job? By sending the space marine you prove my point, your actions are questionable and you need to be accountable for them.
This is a situation an admin made worse and I shouldn't have been banned because of your actions that exacerbated the situation.
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Post by DrunkenFlyingDemoman on Nov 4, 2013 8:21:35 GMT -5
No, YOU exacerbated the situation by BEATING THE QM TO CRIT.
The QM merely entered and tried to stun you, fine enough, "He purposely chose to put himself in harms way" is NOT and WILL NEVER be a good reason to brutally beat someone to crit and eventual death for punching you three times and stunning you with a shotgun dart.
Once again, I have to stress the fact that the Space Marine had NOTHING to do with it, your actions of brutally beating a QM to crit resulting in his death was what got you banned, whether he succumbed or you got chopped to death by a Space Marine, you have done the act of brutally and violently beating a QM to crit for punching your coworker less than five times and shooting you with a stun shotgun.
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Post by warnipple on Nov 4, 2013 11:47:44 GMT -5
The space marine was the cause this got out of hand. You think he didn't exacerbate the situation?
He was the reason why the QM was denied medical treatment. That is the same thing as killing someone. If two people get into a fight and a police officer denies them medical treatment, do not you think he should be held accountable if they die?
The QM only died because he succumbed, he could've lived but he CHOSE to die. I didn't murder the QM. We got into a brawl and he was badly wounded. The SM denied him medical treatment and then he chose to die.
If we're going into space law this falls under manslaughter not murder. And manslaughter should not be a bannable offense. I stated clearly that I had no intention of killing him. Even if the space marine was security, he shouldn't have killed me and instead tended to the wounded because I had already surrended. Manslaughter is not eligible for an execution. But he is not security and he acted poorly in this situation.
You have no case. A simple apology would've sufficed but you think your hasty actions are always correct. Admins like you are the reason our server isn't more popular.
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Post by roxx on Nov 4, 2013 19:04:15 GMT -5
Yeah seriously, we didn't beat him to death, he succumbed. The beating was my doing, but only after he started punching me if I remember correctly. And I beat him into crit to restrain him and the revive him to take him to sec. A guy who has no right doing with securitys work walks into your workplace, shoots your colleague with a sawnoff shotgun and tries to kidnap him, then begins punching you and what do you do? Stand there and take it in the ass? I didn't think so.
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Post by Commissar Holt on Nov 4, 2013 23:43:20 GMT -5
Really. It was a 1 day ban. You're not a random pubbie anyways so I'm not really sure what joy you'd get out of randomly looting useless things and breaking into the utterly useless gateway room of all places. It mostly just served to annoy everyone and cause people to have to stop what they were doing to deal with you.
You know better than to do retarded things like that anyways. Why. I'd consider it a teachable moment of why you shouldn't cause completely useless and stupid situations because you're bored that it's an extended round.
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Post by DrunkenFlyingDemoman on Nov 5, 2013 1:43:39 GMT -5
Once again, I have to clarify and state :
You beat a QM to crit, over a taser, and a bunch of punches.
It does not matter if the QM died or succumbed or somebody halted you from helping the guy, the fact is, you beat a QM to crit over a fucking stun dart and less than three punches.
Considering by your attitude, you're literally just looking for ANY reason to kill someone, and then you'd blame it on Admins or some gameplay quirk or item.
If you cannot admit that you're a griefer, and improve on that, this isn't something that can be solved with a simple apology.
Not to mention, part of your defense also includes, "Admins like you are the reason our server isn't popular", Okay, first off, how long have you been playing here? Second off, have you EVEN been on long enough to judge such things?
You're just another griefer from NoX, you're a player who expects to be able to beat people to shit and then be let off, well, guess what, this isn't NoX, we don't let people off for beating people to crit over a stun dart and three punches.
You're merely also using random things such as a Space Marine marching in as "The guy who made the situation much worse" instead of the fact that it's clear that YOU made the situation MUCH WORSE by beating the fucking QM to crit for a stun dart shell and less than five punches.
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Post by warnipple on Nov 5, 2013 2:02:10 GMT -5
Really. It was a 1 day ban. You're not a random pubbie anyways so I'm not really sure what joy you'd get out of randomly looting useless things and breaking into the utterly useless gateway room of all places. It mostly just served to annoy everyone and cause people to have to stop what they were doing to deal with you. You know better than to do retarded things like that anyways. Why. I'd consider it a teachable moment of why you shouldn't cause completely useless and stupid situations because you're bored that it's an extended round. The reason why I'm making it a complaint is because our bans is fucking bullshit and I have explained why. Once again, I have to clarify and state : You beat a QM to crit, over a taser, and a bunch of punches. It does not matter if the QM died or succumbed or somebody halted you from helping the guy, the fact is, you beat a QM to crit over a fucking stun dart and less than three punches. Considering by your attitude, you're literally just looking for ANY reason to kill someone, and then you'd blame it on Admins or some gameplay quirk or item. If you cannot admit that you're a griefer, and improve on that, this isn't something that can be solved with a simple apology. Not to mention, part of your defense also includes, "Admins like you are the reason our server isn't popular", Okay, first off, how long have you been playing here? Second off, have you EVEN been on long enough to judge such things? You're just another griefer from NoX, you're a player who expects to be able to beat people to shit and then be let off, well, guess what, this isn't NoX, we don't let people off for beating people to crit over a stun dart and three punches. You're merely also using random things such as a Space Marine marching in as "The guy who made the situation much worse" instead of the fact that it's clear that YOU made the situation MUCH WORSE by beating the fucking QM to crit for a stun dart shell and less than five punches. Can you honestly say that the space marine had nothing to do with the QM's death? 0% involvement? |
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Post by HeathclifFlowen on Nov 6, 2013 9:40:13 GMT -5
I'm sitting here at work with nothing better to do so I'll give some of my opinions on this matter.
The QM is not security and generally should not be playing vigilante with a shotgun under normal circumstances. I don't know what the round type was in this case, if it was a hectic nuke round then I would understand the cargo staff arming themseles.
On the other hand, getting shot with a stun round is not grounds for murder. If there was any other possible option available to you (leaving the area and disarm intent being the agreeable ones) then you should take them before killing someone. I wasn't there for this incident so I have zero clue what viable options you had available or if your life was ever really in danger.
If this were MY ban situation, I would tell both you and the QM to stop screwing around and get the QM cloned ASAP, but its not my ban.
Just to be clear: It is in my opinion that you created the situation by causing trouble, then reacted poorly to the QMs attempt to apprehend you. While I wouldn't toss bans around over it, I will support DFD in his decision.
Note: I'm on my phone, so if I missed any important bits of info/couldn't load an image then I appologise.
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Post by derpthestewpidgoat on Nov 8, 2013 13:21:12 GMT -5
I know about not posting in other people's appeals but I was the QM so I think I kinda have something to say. Yes it was a stun-dart round, and I only had one for him because I didn't expect Dario. Also, I didn't succumb, pretty certain I remember waiting for someone to save me and I died just before someone applied a bruise pack on me, because I could see them holding a medkit.
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