Remove Gunlocks

[crystalwarrior]

Did you notice that almost all the gun locks have level 1 lock level, even the captain's antique laser gun?
I think gun locks should work like this:
Level 1 for security personnel items like Tasers.
Level 2 for e-guns, etc.
Level 3 for high-risk weapons like laser guns, security SMG's, laser cannons, advanced e-guns, combat shotguns and all that jazz.
Level 4 weapon locks for Death Squad weapons. Cannot be unlocked by anyone but death squad member.

Weapon locks can be jammed, but higher the lock level, the easier it is to break the gun or even make it explode. Emagging a weapon lock should have a big risk, maybe even a possibility of emag being destroyed in the process?

All R&D manufactured weapons will have weapon locks present, but the Protolathe can be emagged to remove any and all weapon locks.

All Cargo-ordered weapons will also have weapon locks present, other than the illegal crates accessed through emagging the console.

[Carn]

I think there are better solutions than gunlocks. Mainly, mapping solutions. Or having weapons spawn on sec staff, rather than ALL in an armory.

One such solution (which I believe bay had at one point, may still do), was to have nerfed versions of the guns (e.g. much fewer shots and nowhere to charge them) in mini-armorys, accessible only to heads-of-staff.

Combat could also be retweaked, (disarm intent), by implementing a skills system much like bay has. Where security officers have training in hand-to-hand combat and are therefore slightly-harder to disarm and then shoot with their own gun. (obviously antags would have these skills too).

All that being said, I'm not willing to do anything about it until there is a consensus, (including admin approval)

[derpthestewpidgoat]

Jul 7, 2014 12:52:00 GMT -5 Carn said:

I think there are better solutions than gunlocks. Mainly, mapping solutions. Or having weapons spawn on sec staff, rather than ALL in an armory.

One such solution (which I believe bay had at one point, may still do), was to have nerfed versions of the guns (e.g. much fewer shots and nowhere to charge them) in mini-armorys, accessible only to heads-of-staff.

Combat could also be retweaked, (disarm intent), by implementing a skills system much like bay has. Where security officers have training in hand-to-hand combat and are therefore slightly-harder to disarm and then shoot with their own gun. (obviously antags would have these skills too).

All that being said, I'm not willing to do anything about it until there is a consensus, (including admin approval)

Eh.... I have played around with Bay weapons a little bit and I generally hate them. I don't wanna tase a guy 5 times until he finally drops. As for a skill system, it would REALLY limit the "veteran" players who are generally skilled in everything. We don't need someone to have god-tier melee skills who just waits for a traitor round then murders everyone with an E-sword.

[DrunkenFlyingDemoman]

No, no, no.

What Carn is trying to say is that certain jobs would be "Skilled" at tasks such as fighting and shooting guns, thus giving them a bonus or resistance than, say, an assistant.

I approve of that.

[Name Changing Autist]

How are we meant to enjoy good communist station when standard assistant who is fire from military cannot longer rp properly due to capitalist training on security, I demand an refund.

[Nokington]

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[derpthestewpidgoat]

I still don't think shitcurity should get better accuracy or some crap with weapons just because they are security. It's not like we're bay or anything.

[NotFoos]

What if you can get neural implants to improve disarm chances/ fist damage and various other things? Shitcurity might have access to one or two and then science can make then, but it requires a captain id somehow or SOMETHING. At the very least, fuck gun locks.

[Nokington]

gun locks are love, gun locks are life.

[Name Changing Autist]

May 1, 2014 5:23:29 GMT -5 crystalwarrior said:

Did you notice that almost all the gun locks have level 1 lock level, even the captain's antique laser gun?
I think gun locks should work like this:
Level 1 for security personnel items like Tasers.
Level 2 for e-guns, etc.
Level 3 for high-risk weapons like laser guns, security SMG's, laser cannons, advanced e-guns, combat shotguns and all that jazz.
Level 4 weapon locks for Death Squad weapons. Cannot be unlocked by anyone but death squad member.

Weapon locks can be jammed, but higher the lock level, the easier it is to break the gun or even make it explode. Emagging a weapon lock should have a big risk, maybe even a possibility of emag being destroyed in the process?

All RnD manufactured weapons will have weapon locks present, but the Protolathe can be emagged to remove any and all weapon locks.

All Cargo-ordered weapons will also have weapon locks present, other than the illegal crates accessed through emagging the console.

If we're keeping weapon locks and not going with Carn's mapping solution or something else. This sounds like an alright leveling system. Though I disagree that there should be a risk when emagging weapons.
Level 1 locks should be free to access by everyone, they consist of tasers and laserguns.
Level 2 restricted to people with security access or a loyalty implant, consisting of things such as eguns, antique lasergun etc..
Level 3 restricted to everyone except those with "Special Weapons access". HoS and Captain have it at the start, this is for the most dangerous equipment, laser cannons, combat shotguns, dunno about advanced eguns tho.
Level 4 should be for Syndicate Weaponry, requires an explosive implant to use.
Level 5 should be for Strike team/Deathsquad weaponry.

[Nokington]

If we go with that. Then I still think we should keep the ability to lock guns on all guns. Also level 5 should be ASS implant.

[derpthestewpidgoat]

The more gunlocks we have, the less the average crew-member can fight for his life and those of others in an emergency scenario.

[NotFoos]

Nerco if anyone can access level 1 locks then why have level 1 locks in the first place? Think about it ya dingus.

[Nokington]

The average crew member doesn't need a gun. That is why there is security.

[derpthestewpidgoat]

What if their is no security or security is dead? In nuke ops rounds security is often a target for them from space. Additionally, in nightmare or alien rounds, when security is either ineffective or dead, what will you do? The only people coming will be there to silence you and any other survivors. If security is your only savior, and they happen to be corrupt or dead, then the rest of the station is now helpless.

#bangunlocks2014

It is impossible to satisfy everyone, if you've played any head job or any security job for any time you will know this. I've been in security and have at times believed my fellow workers have been incompetent or even at times needed to be replaced. The less ability the public has to make change, the more power the corrupt have to keep the public down.