DISCLAIMER: THIS IS A VERY LONG WALL OF TEXT. PROCEED WITH CAUTION.
Alright, lemme recap this:
I had adminhelped earlier in the round somewhat jokingly asking that if I spaced the jerky, incompetent captain if I would be banned. He said I would I be warned if I did. At that point he had, without calling me over the radio at all, gone into my office (QM) sent back the shuttle wasting 30 supply points and wasted 40 more ordering a Ripley crate so he could stomp around in it. He also let his mime friend in who set up grilles everywhere.
1.1 First off, RPing a dick is
ALLOWED. Being a dick in OOC and to admins and stuff is
NOT ALLOWED. Also, said captain was jobbanned from Captain, HoP and all Security(bar Detective, he's not technically security) for harmbatoning criminals even after a warning, randomly tasering people(like you) and for general violations of the Standard Operating Procedure;
1.2 It's not all about friends. Hell, from the point of the RP, mimes are not griefers, they're essentially actors. Also grilles are destroyable with wirecutters or just about anything, who knows what was the intent of this. Maybe a silent protest to those QMs that just act like fools or something(I mean seriously, you were wearing a waistcoat and bunny ears, you got lucky(or security wasn't security) you wasn't brigged outright).
When I confronted him he started calling my character a ho and tried to punch me several times. He then stunned me and left. He came back later only to see me taking his crate away. He chased me and lost him and sent it back. From then on whenever one saw me they gave chase. The HoS confronted them outside the bar on unrelated matters where they stunned and severely beat him. I heard someone cry for help outside the bar only to find them both over his bloody body stripping him. So I picked up a stun baton and got them both. However do to lag or some other reason they both got up very quickly. and attempted to attack me again. They then brigged the HoS and later killed him.
2.1 See 1.1;
2.2 AFAIK, the HoS has attacked said mime or something, the logs were overwritten by recent ones, however. Thus, the captain stunned him with the mime's help. I think it's justified;
2.3 It was neither the captain nor the mime who killed the HoS. The one who did is Anthony Foster(Wesan), and he did it because he thought he was a prisoner(the HoS was let free by that time, but he didn't have his equipment, a violation of SOP). I talked with him, let him go with a warning, and Wesan was quite a nice guy afterwards, I think.
The chaplain who was also sick of their shit or just hated mimes declared them unholy so they tried to kill him. While others met up to plan how to get rid of them (this was most of the personnel staff) I hacked into sec and the armory arming up to prison station them. At that point the captain stumbled across me and tried to kill me again. I stunned him and beat him unconscious. The mime immediately attacked me as well so I stunned and beat him.
3.1 The chaplain WAS killed by the CE(with a wrench). When he explained why did he kill him, he said that he was planning a revolution, okay. Again, let him go with a warning, advised how to handle revolutionaires, he acted normal until the server hung up;
3.2 Isn't declaring something unholy the chaplain's RP? I mean, seriously, they've got gods, they listen to gods, they go crazy because of gods. And yes, the mime was unholy, because otherwise, I don't think the captain would give him his spare ID and make him the HoS for the sake of it. I guess that's perfectly normal for a chaplain and the crew overreacted, which is usual;
3.3 Yeah, of course you had to hack into the Armory and prison station all the criminal scum that followed you around the station. First off, prison station is reserved for
CONFIRMED Syndicate agents, revolutionaires and murderers, effectively removing them for the remainder of the round(unless they are fast enough to attempt an escape, but they likely won't have equipment unless they bought an Uplink Implant);
3.4 When will people understand that attempting to stun or just coming in an area you are is NOT equal to attempting to kill? Quoting the Space Law:
The difference between this and assault with a deadly weapon is clear intent or critical condition.
This is the main reason security is hard as hell, because you can't stun people without them screamin shitcurity over the radio. I mean, I watched it, the captain came in Armory, you almost instantly stunned him and proceeded to kill him. Then the mime came in, you stunned and killed him too almost instantly. Then the warden came in, stunned you and got you to Prison Station. I think the killing spree would go on in case the warden didn't manage to stun you. Also you KILLED them both, not, for example, stun and cuff. Killing and cuffing are different things, and the captain and mime were fully justified there because they were self-defending, thus I revived them both shortly after your ban and they behaved relatively well, at least the mime;
3.5(EDIT) Oh come on, appealing a 1 day long ban? Just, you know, chill for a bit before hopping back in the game, try to reconsider your actions, and this most likely won't happen.
39kk9t said I should have just asked him why I as being chased and attacked and then served my sentence. My problem with that is my past experience tells me that players like that will not talk to you in a calm manner and we pursue till one of you dies. As a matter of fact my first ever experience on this server was just such an incident occurred with the HoS trying to kill the clown and getting locked out of sec not realizing he could unweld the doors.
4.1 I certainly don't deny it, I did told you so. You know, if you just drag a corpse when a security officer tries to ask you what happened with the corpse you're carrying, there are 2 alternatives:
1. You don't reply anything. This arouses a lot of suspicion about you and you will be likely killed too or brigged;
2. You explain the officer what happened with the corpse. This, of course, arouses much less suspicion or just eliminates it entirely, because you're wishing to cooperate.
"But no one does that, what are you talking about, 39?"- someone may ask. Hell, that's what admins are for! Adminhelp it, offer incriminating evidence that they indeed didn't do it, then let the admins work their way with them. Probably it's because the attitude to security is very low or the security's attitude to everyone is low, in which case there's always the jobbanhammer;
4.2 I remember seeing you playing on Gibbed, am I right? Be forewarned that /tg/station is roleplay-oriented, while Gibbed is just, well, action. Of course we don't have the BS12's level of roleplaying, but everyone should know at least the basic rule: Talk. It can get you out of problems if you talk it out right. Only get to action when talking is futile. Of course you can get killed while you type, but the whole purpose of this game is not to win, but to make it fun for everyone while it lasts. After all, it's a civilized space station, not a homicidal maniacs' station. About your first experience, who was the HoS? Also instead of just letting it slip, adminhelp it. Adminhelps always help if you know what you're doing.
At that point I was just tired of their shit. I was also tired of players like this joining the server, taking up head positions simply so they can get high access and guns and then proceed to shit up the round. I didn't want to deal with them so I killed them. I never spaced them. 39kk9t then admin Pmed saying he would ban for griefing for no reason. I said I had a perfectly good reason to kill them and was explaining myself when he banned me for "Griefing and ignoring adminhelps" I have logs of me killing them but not off earlier as I was disconnecting frequently.
5.1 See 1.1;
5.2 I don't think I have mentioned you spaced them. Of course, that never happened. The aforementioned warden stunned you and escorted you to the Prison Station, which is fully justified as you was on the crime scene beating up the mime besides the dead captain and not telling anything;
5.3 Of course some people may be dicks, but that doesn't mean you kill them. Let's remember that death is a permanent thing. Even if you're cloned, you're somewhere else, dead, your limp body floating in the endlessness of space. Your clone is just another guy with your everything, a copy(also cyborgs are technically alive, if you ask me);
5.4 I don't think logs are necessary for this. All of the admins have access to the server log, which displays all logs, be it say, dsay, asay, admin logs, adminhelps, prays or PMs. (list may not be full), which can be viewed. I'm sure the others check the forum once in a while, so recovering those is not very hard.
I just don't understand why people are allowed to take head positions like that and only get warnings and be allowed to continue like that. I don't see why I should have to allow myself to be caught if I "Break the law" or why I can't defend myself against terrible, piss poor, tyrant who can't even recharge a weapon and whose goal is to fuck off and do whatever, killing anyone who tries to stop him at all. I would like the ban removed and a sterner approach be taken to those who decide to play Sec or Captain or any head position as they have great potential to ruin rounds for the whole crew just by being bad at the game. Especially seeing as how the crew is not allowed to do anything about it without being banned.
Also to reiterate I have logs of me killing them and of my PM's with 39kk9t.
6.1 See 5.4;
6.2 By asking why should you have to allow yourself to be caught, you're implying that everyone is a hard-boiled criminal. From the RP point, we have Centcom, right? A very secure station with professional staff and such and such. If you don't face your sentence on the station(they're already very democratic, have you seen the Space Law on Animus Station 13? The reprecussions there for crimes are CONSIDERABLY more severe, with at least 2 minutes in brig to life on prison station in case the sentence reaches over 60 minutes. How's that, eh?), you're going to face severe reprecussions at Centcom, from prison to termination. I don't see why is there a point to run from security if you only make things worse;
6.3 Adminhelp more. Provide as much info as you can. Keep the server tidy. That's all any admin might want. Without doubt, the round we're talking about was very intense(at least for me with a wall of PMs and adminhelps), but nonetheless, if you feel someone is doing something rule-breaking, adminhelp it! Help us for the cause!;
6.4 From the RP point, the crew can just appeal to have this head demoted or fired from a space station. In reality, see 6.3;
6.5(EDIT) Quoting the rules:
Self-defense is always acceptable.
I don't know what's wrong with it. Also you CAN kill, but ONLY if your victim is persistent to kill you and you've got no other choice(no access to non-lethal weaponry, security is not security). Therefore, multiple counts of attempted murder on you. This is justified and the person who actually was persistent to kill will most likely be banned.
Finally! The wall of text has ended! Almost 12 thousand characters are behind you, and I think I managed to explain everything. If you feel you don't understand something, just ask. Oh, and I'll be polishing the post from time to time to avoid confusion.
. sorry for the bad news, but i will always remember our time raping some whores and animals in ss13. nig